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    Roger McGuinn Tried to Sway Metallica on Downloads

    • Posted on Oct 22nd 2009 4:00PM by Pat Pemberton
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    Metallica might not have faced a well-publicized fan backlash had the band listened to former Byrds frontman Roger McGuinn. When Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich was set to testify before Congress against file sharing back in 2000, McGuinn tells Spinner that he tried to convince Ulrich that downloads were the future.

    "I talked to Lars, but he didn't seem to get it," says McGuinn, who presented Congress with counter testimony immediately after Metallica. "He was still firmly on the side of the record companies, thinking that people were ripping him off. My attitude was like, 'Hey -- it's the new radio.' You guys ought to be glad when people exploit your stuff and get it around because that means they're going to come to your concerts and buy your merchandise, and you'll make a lot more money that way."

    Though 58 at the time -- and a product of the '60s -- McGuinn was ahead of the curve on downloads. Five years earlier, he had launched the Folk Den, a site where he offered free music. To this day, McGuinn still records one traditional folk song a month and offers it there as a free download.

    If it seems odd that a 67-year-old would support new technology so much, consider that McGuinn has always been a pioneer. He is responsible the "jingle-jangle" guitar sound and his old band, the Byrds, are credited with kick-starting both psychedelic and country rock. Yet, his stance on downloads had more to do with record labels than technology.

    "I'd say 90 percent of artists on record labels don't get money from record companies," says McGuinn, who once worked as a songwriter for $35 a week. "They get it from performances and other things."

    McGuinn is disappointed that record labels have more recently gone after YouTube for copyright infringement.

    "It's a new radio. It's a new MTV. It's a new media," he says, noting that YouTube provides valuable exposure for music. "To put it down is to shoot yourself in the foot."

    While has always supported using technology to advance music, the man who gave us 'Eight Miles High,' 'Turn! Turn! Turn!' and 'Mr. Spaceman' doesn't see any musical value in the 'Rock Band' video games.

    "'Rock Band' is not musicianship," he says. "'Rock Band' is hand-eye coordination ... it might be good for timing for a drummer or something, but you're not playing music with that."
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    Andy Prattat 10-22-2009

    Bless you Roger, thanks for all the wonderful songs...
    Andy

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    Bill Descoteauxat 10-23-2009

    Roger - See you in Edmonds tomorrow night(10/24)! Looking forward to some good tunes.

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    shrewdofooat 10-23-2009

    I really surprised to see and older musician support something like downloading, but really happy about it. Roger McGuinn is a legend, and I think this gives a lot more credibility to people who think downloading is actually good for the industry.

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    travelergtooat 10-23-2009

    Roger is a true pioneer. His music is some of the best.

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    Loridans1at 10-23-2009

    Ol' Jim MCGuinn git it right, Lars & metallica were dead wrong. I guess a guy who had seeen it all since 64-65 just recognized that the "record system", as we knew it, was dead. Metallica, maybe not having the same breadth of experience, just did not get it. It helped that Roger G. had plenty of time to think about it while Metallica were becoming millionaires.

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    Fat Jackat 10-23-2009

    I 've always liked the early-mid sixties music and Roger was among the best. He also nailed it when he said most musicians don't make money from the labels.
    I'm not into todays music (most of us old farts aint) but I'd like to see more access to music that wasn't controlled by the corporate creatures. Can SOMEBODY out there help with a way to publish music online without letting mega-corp conglomerate F it up??

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    Richardat 10-23-2009

    Me and my band very strongly support illegal music downloading. Since our music is all free, we got our name out a lot better and easier. We make all our money from shows. We do sell CDs at record shops, which all come with a copy of the current free version of Limewire and a note saying "If you actually bought this record, you need this". We are very against the commercialization of music. Its ruined music as a whole.

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    screaminfistat 10-23-2009

    Screw downloading, I'll stick with my Vinyl & CD's thank you very much. DL songs sound like crap, MP3's are hollow & compressed sounding. Besides, All of my favorite independent record stores have gone out of business because of downloading, How about that Roger? Music lovers that felt so strongly about music that they decided to open their own stores and are now gone. I agree about the record companies, To hell with them. All they ever did was rip off both the band & the fans, Repackaging greatest hits just to fulfill contract obligations, "Deluxe" editions of albums that I already bought 10 years ago, And let's not forget about those expensive "Import" editions with the one extra bonus track that our domestic version doesn't have and now we have to pay double the price to get that one song.

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    johncorsinoat 10-23-2009

    there ARE two sides to every issue, but i have spent hours watching youtube

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    BIGROBB2at 10-24-2009

    THERE IS SO MUCH MUSIC OUT THERE NOW--BEING A SINGER SONGWRITER --I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN FOLKS ARE LINED UP ON LIMEWIRE TO HAVE SOME OF MY SONGS FOR FREE--AS FAR AS YOUTUBE GOES--I LOVE THEM BUT THEN AGAIN THEY ARE CROOKED--THEY WANT YOU TO SIGN UP WITH THEIR FEATURED VIDEOS--AND PAY THEM FOR THE COURTESY--AND IT AINT CHEAP--AS SOON AS I WENT THERE TO CHECK OUT THEIR OFFER--THEY STOPPED THE TALLY ON MY VIEWING--THEY ARE ABOUT 2000 HITS BEHIND WHAT THE TRUE TOTAL IS--F--CK THEM TOO--BASTARDS--DOES ANYBODY IN CORORATE AMERICA PLAY FAIR ANYMORE--GOOD LUCK IF YOU EVER WANT TO CONTACT YOUTUBE--IT IS IMPOSSIBLE----SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE -OH AND ROGER --YOU ROCK BUDDY

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    Harleyat 10-23-2009

    Filesharing was ALWAYS about the Record labels getting thier piece of the pie. They don't create anything, they simply take the money for putting out the work of the Artist, who usually gets nothing from the label for thier creation. With Filesharing programs, ANY musician can create thier music and make it available 24/7 worldwide, and you don't need the big corporate Labels anymore. And that's what they're truly frightened of. Personally, i think it's high time we move away from big corporations and into smaller, REAL free enterprise markets.

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    YOUNG!at 10-24-2009

    Actually you can hook up the rockband drum set to a pc and play drum riffs. Load up some acoustic original samples, and play away! cuttin edge of tech my ass

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    His Michellieat 10-24-2009

    I was so sad to see Metallica, my favorite of all hard rock bands (I even love their ballad they said they'd never make)turn against their fans and go all suit and tie corporate. It made themseem so much less pure--so COMMERCIAL,so MAINSTEAM, so POLITICAL--all the things they supposedly were writing their music toprotest. Just thinking about it still makes me feel a true sense of betrayal. I am only now getting to the point where I can listen to their cds again and enjoy them (nothing after the black cd). Just too effing sad. They should have listened to McGuinn, because they really left a trail of bloody ex fans behind them with their unexpected,inexplicable greed.

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    wolfat 10-24-2009

    I immediately stopped listening to metallica when lars starting crying saying his fans were thieves for downloading metallica's music.
    it was afterall legal music sharing.

    and i think they have learned a valuable lesson. cutting your fans throats kills your fan base.
    and they certainly wont be doing it again, as they have killed their careers. they will never be the superstars they used to be. and are now relegated to the has-been file in your local cd resale shops. (ever try selling your old metallica cds at one? they won't give a dollar for one.)

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    gr8bsnat 10-24-2009

    The recording industry wants to live in a pre-1996 model. They want to pretend that the internet and the MP3 file was never invented. They want to pretend that they still have a monopoly on who hears what and when. They want to still tell radio stations what songs they can play and more importantly, what songs they CAN'T play. They want to make you buy an entire album just to hear one song that you like. Funny how I can LEGALLY watch any COPYRIGHTED TV show that I want to on my computer (IN FULL HD NO LESS) for free! The recording industry as we know it is prolonging their own death, and GOOD RIDDANCE! It's about the music, the artists, and the fans, not the producers and the fat cats!

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    buzzardsteinat 10-24-2009

    you damn right

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    sailormoon66at 10-24-2009

    Hey, remember when we all bought blank tapes and recorded music off the air? Downloading is the modern day version. And, by the way, the Byrds still rock!

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    me just me aka an'ol hippyat 10-24-2009

    you gotta know ..he was always right all along in so many ways and decades ! I have a song to pedel, Roger do you have any time to spare ? its not a tune like one hundred years from now but a well you know , yes its a good one from an 'ol fart you bring the 7 string or 12.. heres mud in yer eye , sorry for the heartheaches folks

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    gpat 10-24-2009

    gram parsons still rocks

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    McGuinn,White,Batton &G.Parsonsat 10-24-2009

    Right-on Roger McGuinn! Everybody talks about the early-mid 60's Byrds. Great songs, but...give a listen to the Byrd's "Untitled" album from 1970...fantastic! It's my favorite Byrds album..McGuinn, Clarence White, Skip Batton, Gene Parsons. Very nice songs. With C. White and S. Batton being heavy influenced by country and blugrass and McGuinn's rock influence created a masterpiece mixture. Note: By no means is it country though, their combined influences made it their own sound. An album full of feel and heartfelt playing and singing. The Byrd's "Untitled" 1970 album...the best! Thanks for the great music Roger...and rest in peace Clarence, Skip and Gene. Very cool line-up.

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